Posts by Sarah Smiles

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"Do you consider yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses?"

by Bonnie_Clyde in

that is the exact question that my daughter asked me two years ago.

her face was almost white, and her hands were shaking.

i think she may have been prompted by the elders in her congregation.

Sarah Smiles

An elder asked me that same question. I was shocked that he would even ask such a question since I had not been attending very long.

I went up to him and asked him if he really thinks that Jesus Christ came down to Bethel and cleaned out pyramidology in 1918? He said that he did not know what that meant and he did not want to know.

He said Jesus can do what ever he wants then he asked me if I was a J.W. I had no time to think about it! then I said Yes.

Let see, if you ask a question have you ever noticed they say, "You should know this answer." "You have been a J.W. long enough to know this answer." "Everyone that is a J.W. knows this answer." and it is on going and I had three elders at different times when I confronted them about something they came back with an attitude and with the similar statements. It's rather strange and insulting! But did they answer my questions, "NO."

Because they probably do not know the answers or believe them.

Can you imagine not reading the books that was meat at due season and the sheep has the answer that an elder has no right to read.

It too strange,odd, yet funny!

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so let me get this straight

by 4digitcode in

i have been on here for only the past 3 days or so....so i don't really know how it goes.. this is an 'apostate' site right?.

so today i've learned that there is just the ol' regular apostate and an 'active' apostate.. but are there actually active witnesses on this site as well??.

because i just saw a topic about someone asking for advice on how to do a talk?.

Sarah Smiles

Hello! Happy to read your hear!

I am reinstated ! Hahoooo, it took about 10 or 15 years no more like hmm well a little longer! #*@%!

The day I got reinstated the elders asked me if I knew the J.W. website and I said YES it was JehovahWitness.com. well it was a mistake! The next time, I saw the elders they handed me a paper that had WT quotes one said that these site were just like pornography just don't view it. I thought that was strange! so I wanted to know what was the big deal! It was stupid to compare a forum with a pornography site. In fact right after my elders meeting! one of the elders had a special talk, he said he had been tempted with flashes of pornography on his computer screen but never clicked on to them because it would burn threw to his brain if he did. He also looked at everyones bust during the meetings. He had it soo bad that a pioneer told him to take a picture! and they say the people on these sites have problems! Can you imagine not able to talk to people in years and that is what I get!

It took me awhile but here I am! Ok I typed too much!

WELCOME!

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What is the NEW BUZZ in the Org?

by Save My Soul in

there is a new wt arrangement, the 1935 change, the 30 minute public talk among other things.

some have even said they would stop talking doom and gloom, can someone please confirm this?.

what is the perception of these things among those active in the org?

Sarah Smiles

Sounds to me like they are starting to run a bit scared, the bible never foretold about the information highway did it..........dam technology !

NO, but Rutherford did because in 1920s he wrote that technology, Divine Plan of the Ages, etc., was a sign of Christ coming to his temple in 1918! However in the 1955, WT they stated that Christ came to the temple to get rid of pyramidology Divine Plan of the Ages.

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JWS and Ex JWS....Is the Mark of the Beast taught in the Hall?

by A-Team in

a few jws were stunned when i pointed out revelation 13 to them, they said they have never heard such a thing about the mark of teh beast or it's effects.

im beginning to wonder if its even taught in the hall.

Sarah Smiles

A-Team they got their information from a book What Americans Believe and How They Worship BY J. Paul Williams LOL a quote with in the book from Carlton J.F. Hayes. NO I did not see this before!

See Reve book on page 194 in small print at the bottom of the page. It states, "Commentators have noted that nationalisem, in effect, is a religion..... "

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JWS and Ex JWS....Is the Mark of the Beast taught in the Hall?

by A-Team in

a few jws were stunned when i pointed out revelation 13 to them, they said they have never heard such a thing about the mark of teh beast or it's effects.

im beginning to wonder if its even taught in the hall.

Sarah Smiles

A-Team: I'm going to look this up in the old books but here is my thoughts;

(Daniel 3:1-23) The number six falls short of seven, which stands for completeness from God’s standpoint.

There is no proof that Seven stands for completeness! Where does the bible state that seven means completeness! YOU will not find it! It is a form of Cabala WTBTS who borrowed this concept from other religions with no biblical proof! God rested on the seventh day and completed his work does not mean that the seventh day means completeness! It is a wild jump, and applying meanings to numbers which would not have a meaning to them. Prove this one from Revelations?

The 144,000 anointed ones are said to have the Father’s name and that of Jesus written on their foreheads. This identifies them as belonging to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. (Revelation 14:1)

WTBTS also state this means when people go out in service, they are

marking ones who willing receive the WTBTS literature to righteous and the rest are going off to judgment? Bull! So if you think about what this means then at the 1 resurrection there is no judgement! I gotta laugh!

As far as I am concern only Jehovah and Jesus are allow to mark people. People going out in service do not have this right so they can just shake the dust off their legs and keep on walking.

while big politics, big religion, and big business keep that wild beast functioning as an oppressor of mankind and a persecutor of God’s people.

In Rutherford's writings, later WTBTS books Babylon The Great, his use of big business was actually Big Business which was at the time hatred against the Jewish people ? Later the WTBTS changed it and grouped it in with the above sentence so appears different! Big Business was the modern day slang used against the Jewish people! Apparently if you do not except what Rutherford had to say than he went against people. So was he for the Jewish people or against them?

Anybody engaged in everyday activities such as buying and selling is pressured to do things the way the wild beast does, as, for example, in celebrating holidays. They are expected to worship the wild beast, letting it rule their lives, so as to receive its mark.

NOT A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE; So if you buy ornaments and a Christmas tree and celebrate holidays then you are pressured into celebrating the way UNITED KINGDOM does? How is celebrating Christ day ruling peoples lives? or 4th of

July? or birthdays? Here in the USA we have freedom to do what we want! Just more bull!

Since the second world war, countless young men have suffered lengthy imprisonments, some even being tortured and killed, because of their refusal to compromise their Christian neutrality.

But the scripture is REV 14:1 when Michael cast out Satan in 1914 World War 1. LOL

LOL, but what ever happened to Satan mad when thrown out of heavens in 1914? World WAR 1? MAYBE Satan was thrown out during 1939 or in the 40's? How many other people were thrown in jail for Christian neutrality besides the J.W. many!

OK! I am going to look in my Insight book as well as Rutherfords books! I hope some J.W. will wake up!

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Charles Edward Russell

by Sarah Smiles in

can anyone tell me if this sounds fimiliar?

is this a relative of charles t. russell.

this is a quote from upton sinclair, profit and religion, 1917:.

Sarah Smiles

Thanks Blondie. I found stuff about Charles Tazes uncle Charles Tays who was a wealthy real estate owner. I guess that is where Russell got his business attitude.

Well anyhow Thanks a lot

I am going to check it out right now!

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1924 Great Pyramid Passages, Volume II PDF!

by cabasilas in

earlier there was a thread re: the first edition of the second volume of the edgars' great pyramid passages (published in 1913):.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/134273/1.ashx.

in 1924, morton edgar published a substantially revised edition of the second volume.

Sarah Smiles

Way to go! You know what they say the truth will set you free! Too bad J.W. do not see this stuff!

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Charles Edward Russell

by Sarah Smiles in

can anyone tell me if this sounds fimiliar?

is this a relative of charles t. russell.

this is a quote from upton sinclair, profit and religion, 1917:.

Sarah Smiles

Can anyone tell me if this sounds fimiliar? Is this a relative of Charles T. Russell. This is a quote from Upton Sinclair, Profit and Religion, 1917:

There stands on the corner of Broadway and Wall Street a towering brown-stone Edifice, one of the most beautiful and most famous churches in America. As a child I have walked through its church yard and read the quaint and touching inscriptions on its gravestones; when I was a little older, and knew Wall Street, it seemed to me a sublime thing that here in the very heart of the world's infamy there should be raised, like a finger of warning, this symbol of Eternity and Judgment. Its great bell rang at noon-time, and all the traders and their wage-slaves had to listen, whether they would or no! Such was Old Trinity to my young soul; and what is it in reality?

The story was told some 10 years ago by Charles Edward Russell. Trinity Corporation is the name of the concern, and it is one of the great landlords of New York. In the early days it bought a number of farms, and these it has held, as the city has grown up around them, until in 1908 their value was estimated at anywhere from 40 to 100 million dollars, The true amount has never been made public; to quote Russell's words:

The real owners of the property are the communicants of the church. For 94 years none of the owners has known the extent of the property, nor the amount of the revenue therefrom, nor what is done with the money. Every attempt to learn even the simplest fact about these matters has been baffled. The management is a self perpetuating body, without responsibility and without supervision.

And the writer goes on to describe the business policy of this great corporation, which is simply the English land system complete. It refuses to sell the land, but rents it for long periods, and the tenant builds the house, and then when the lease expires, the Corporation takes over the house for a nominal sum. Thus it has purchased houses for as low as $200, and made them into tenements, and rented them to the swarming poor for a total of $50 a month. The houses were not built for tenements, they have no conveniences, they are not fit for the habitation of animals. The article, in Everybody's Magazine for July, 1908, gives pictures of them, which are horrible beyond belief. To quote the writer again:

Decay, neglect and squalor seem to brood wherever Trinity is an owner. Gladly would I give to such a charitable and benevolent institution all possible credit for a spirit of improvement manifested anywhere, but I can find no such manifestation. I have trampled the 8th Ward day after day with a list of Trinity properties in my hand, and of all the tenement houses that stand there on Trinity land, I have not found one that is not a disgrace to civilization and to the City of New York.

It happens that I once knew the stately prelate who presided over this Corporation of Corruption. I imagine how he would have shivered and turned pale had some angel whispered to him what devilish utterances were some day to proceed from the lips of the little cherub with shining face and shining robes who acted as the bishop's attendant in the stately ceremonials of the Church! Truly, even into the goodly company of the elect, even to the most holy places of the temple, Satan makes his treacherous way! Even under the consecrated hands of the bishop! For while the bishop was blessing me and taking me into the company of the sanctified, I was thinking about what the papers had reported, that the bishop's wife had been robbed of $50,000 worth of jewels! It did not seem quite in accordance with the doctrine of Jesus that a bishop's wife should possess $50,000 worth of jewels, or that she should be setting the bloodhounds of the police on the trail of a human being. I asked my clergyman friend about it, and remember his patient explanation -- that the bishop had to know all classes and conditions of men; his wife had to go among the rich as well as the poor, and must be able to dress so that she would not be embarrassed. The Bishop at this time was making it his life-work to raise a million dollars for the beginning of a great Episcopal cathedral; and this of course compelled him to spend much time among the rich!

The explanation satisfied me; for of course I thought there had to be cathedrals -- despite the fact that both St. Stephen and St. Paul had declared that "the Lord dwelleth not in temples made with hands." In the 25 years which have passed since that time the good Bishop has passed to his eternal reward, but the mighty structure which is a monument to his visitations among the rich towers over the city from its vantage-point on Morningside Heights. It is called the Cathedral of St. John the Divine; and knowing what I know about the men who contributed its funds, and about the general functions of the churches of the Metropolis of Mammon, it would not seem to me less holy if it were built, like the monuments of ancient ravagers, out of the skulls of human beings.

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Upton Sinclair who?

by Sarah Smiles in

upton sinclair, he is mentioned in the revelation book, page 168. .

bible prophecythis far western country swarms with those fanatics who await the return of christ, and find the bible chronology positive evidence that he is coming on a specified day.

seldom do i give a lecture on socialism that some eager old lady does not come up to me and point out how futile are my hopes, because the millennium will come before the revolution.

Sarah Smiles

I guess I should post where I found this information:

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/upton_sinclair/profits_of_religion.html#6.2

One only can laugh at the WTBTS for quoting Upton Sinclair.

To think this was published in 1917! pre Finished Mystery book!

Her is the Revelation Books quotes on page 168:

"There can be no question', concluded Upton Sinclair, that 'the persecution...sprang in part from the fact that they had won the hatred of "orthodox" religious bodies.' What the combined efforts of the churches had failed to do the government now seemed to have succeeded in accomplising for them." What the combined efforts of the churches had failed to do the government now seemed to have succeeded in accomplishing for them."

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Upton Sinclair who?

by Sarah Smiles in

upton sinclair, he is mentioned in the revelation book, page 168. .

bible prophecythis far western country swarms with those fanatics who await the return of christ, and find the bible chronology positive evidence that he is coming on a specified day.

seldom do i give a lecture on socialism that some eager old lady does not come up to me and point out how futile are my hopes, because the millennium will come before the revolution.

Sarah Smiles

UPTON SINCLAIR, he is mentioned in the Revelation Book, page 168.

Bible Prophecy

This far western country swarms with those fanatics who await the return of Christ, and find the Bible chronology positive evidence that he is coming on a specified day. Seldom do I give a lecture on Socialism that some eager old lady does not come up to me and point out how futile are my hopes, because the Millennium will come before the Revolution. Several times I have come on an item in the newspapers, telling of a group of people, sometimes whole villages, selling their goods and going out into the fields to shout and sing and pray. expecting the vision of the Lord and His Angels in the skies. I have in my hand a pamphlet entitled "Shekineh: The Glory of God in Israel, Facts Mathematically Foretold, the Soon Coming of Our Blessed Lord." It is earnestly, yearningly written, in that spirit of feeble-minded affectionateness which the Bible-sects seem to encourage:

Now dear reader you see that these problems tell a wonderful story which I know are the Eternal Truths of God. Jesus is soon coming. I believe that from now on we can say, next week perhaps our blessed Lord will return, Yet the time may not end till the close of the A.M. year, which will be March 20, 1897. But let us take up the sickle of God, etc. Oh, my Christian friends, live near the Blessed Christ, and gain eternal life through Jesus Our Lord!

In the public library I find another pamphlet entitled "The Our Race," which proves that the "lost ten tribes of Israel" are not the American Indians, but the Irish! And here is a publication of the "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society," declaring:

The great pyramid in Egypt is a witness to all the events of the ages and of our day. The pyramid's downward passage under "a Draconis" symbolizes the course of Sin. Its first ascending passage symbolizes the Jewish Age. Its Grand Gallery symbolizes the Gospel Age. Its upper step symbolizes the approaching period of tribulation and anarchy, "Judgment" upon Christendom.

It is a Sunday morning, and I sit in the California sunshine revising this manuscript, when a decorous-looking young man approaches, having a sack over his shoulder. "From the Bible- students," he says politely, and hands me a little paper, "The Bible Students' Monthly: an Independent, Unsectarian Religious Newspaper, Specially devoted to the Forwarding of the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement for the Glory of God and Good of Humanity." The leading article is headed "The Fall of Babylon; Ancient Babylon a Type -- Mystic Babylon the, Antitype: Why Christendom must Suffer -- the Final Outcome." A note explains:

The following article is extracted from Pastor Russell's posthumous volume entitled "The Finished Mystery," the 7th in the series of his Studies in the Scriptures and published subsequently to his death. Pastor Russell held the distinction of being the most fearless and powerful writer of modern times on ecclesiastical subjects. In this posthummis volume, which is called "his last legacy to the Christians on earth," is found a thorough exposition of every verse in the entire book of Revelations and also an elucidation of the obscure prophecy of Ezekiel. The book contains 608 pages, handsomely bound in embossed cloth.

Pastor Russell used to publish a two-column sermon in some hundreds of Sunday newspapers, together with a presentment of his features -- solemn, stiff, white-whiskered, set off with a "choker" and a black broadcloth coat. There are five million such faces in America, but if you have an impulse to despair for your country, remember that it produced Mark Twain and Artemus Ward, as well as Pastor Russell and the Moody and Sankey hymn-book. I quote one passage from "The Finished Mystery," in order that the reader may know what it means to "hold the distinction of being the most fearless and powerful writer of modern times on ecclesiastical subjects." Pastor Russell does not approve of the Methodists, and he quotes twelve verses of Revelation, line by line and phrase by phrase, showing how the evil course and downfall of the Wesleyan system were divinely foretold. Thus:

"But that they should be tormented five months." -- In symbolic time, 150 years -- 5X30=150. (Ezek. 4:6.) Wesley became the first Methodist in 1723. (Rev. 9:1..) When the Methodist denomination, with all the others, was cast off from favor in 1878 (Rev. 3,14) its powers to torment men by preaching what Presbyterians describe as "Conscious misery, eternal in duration" came to an end legally, and to a large extent actually. -- Rev. 9:10.

P.S. A few months pass, and while this book is going to press, "The Finished Mystery" is suppressed by the government and several score "Bible Students" are landed in jail for sedition